Hardly The Battle of Cable Street: What Berkeley Doesn’t Mean

Posted by DanielS on Wednesday, 19 April 2017 12:16.

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(((Lauren Southern))) equipped with gas mask, helmet and protective eye goggles, ready for the “surprise attack” from anti-fa.

In his discussion, “What Berkeley Means”, Richard Spencer characterizes as a seminal event the prepared altercation between “anti-fa” and those gathered to hear Lauren Southern and other Alt-liters/ Alt-Righters (“doesn’t make any difference ((())) or )))((( they’re all under attack by anti-fa”) at their free speech rally in Berkeley. Apparently it doesn’t matter either that the bubble-headed Lauren Southern is Jewish and showed up equipped with a gas mask, protective eyewear and helmet; that the YKW are on both sides of this, alt-lite/right and antifa, as can be expected - no, according to Spencer this is to be marked as a day of such historical importance that it might be observed through the ages. Really, its clear that the YKW are on both sides of this one and that it is a continuing part of a strategy to put Whites and YKW on the same side. Spencer has done this before.

What Berkeley Doesn’t Mean -

Baked Alaska™, Mike Cernovich, Lauren Southern and Brittany Pettibone - Brittany needs to get away from these right wingers.

It’s hardly something like The Battle of Cable Street in reverse, as Spencer would depict it.

He doesn’t tell you that Lauren Southern, a key promoter of the Berkeley free speech event, is Jewish; however, he does say that “she and other ‘alt-lite’ figures are being attacked just the same as ‘alt-right’ people, therefore they are in the same boat.” This is tantamount to saying that Jews are in the same boat as Whites. Clearly there is an agenda to that. He’s done this before, as I mentioned in this article - Where and how (((The Alternative Right))) is drawing friend / enemy lines of a coming revolution:

 

AltRight Radio, “Counter Signal - 2 - The Bannoning”, 6 Feb 2017:

(21:00) Charles: Yeah, so, we got kicked off of Reddit. I was one of the moderators there. I organized all of the “ask me” anythings. We got kicked off of Reddit for sharing the researcher bounty that was looking to identify the antifa that attacked you, Richard.

(29:00) Richard Spencer: To kind of transition to a bigger issue. We’re in this weird state, if you will. Everything that has happened in a way that I never imagined it would happen, basically. I never imagined Donald Trump would be memed into an Alt Right hero. ...We have this weird situation where there’s been this top-down revolution in the Republican party. Donald Trump is soui generis; and he has some people who are on his side: obviously Bannon and (((Steve Miller))) are kind of (sigh) they’re definitely not Alt Right but they’re hard, they get it at some gut level and they’re behind him and pushing him to do this:

[Jewish paleo-nationalism as opposed to Jewish neo-conservatism]

(30:50) Richard Spencer: So, there’s this weird top-down revolution that’s going on; we can say that Donald Trump has all this access to directly reach the people through Twitter and Youtube and his celebrity and so on; but at the same time this is going to be really, really hard because he is going up against every institution in society. He did a travel ban that is total weak-tea. I’m not bashing Bannon and (((Miller))) who are behind it at all, I’m just like kind of like challenging them, challenging Trump.

(31:45) Richard Spencer: It’s a start of something; and obviously the left is freaking-out; they’re losing they’re shit because it is the first time that they’ve seen a White man stand up to the world and say, “no, we’re not helping you, we’re not declaring war on your behalf, you’re not coming here, no, this is our country, sorry, but your out of your own country, bye bye”; and they cannot take that, a White person saying that drives them fucking nuts….and so that’s where we’re happening, that’s what’s happening, we’re in this weird situation, we’re winning on this top-down level from the Presidency. But in terms of all of these institutions, in terms of the digital institutions, in terms of society itself, like we’re, I can’t say that we’re winning. We are triggering them, we are freaking them out, we are fighting back against them maybe for the first time in a long time. But we’re not winning.

(32:44) Richard Spencer: You know, they are fighting-back too, the antifa are getting hard-core. They are attacking Milo for god’s sake. ..and they are attacking us in the streets. ..ah, the digital, Silicon Valley people are kicking us off of platforms, like they’re, the Empire is striking back as well, we’re just in this very strange situation that I, again, that is totally unpredictable and is also unpredictable going forward. I don’t know how this is going to play out. ..it is precarious to say the least. We are basically losing and winning and fighting back and getting fought-back against really hard in ways that we never had before.

[Blending Alt lite with Alt right]:


(33:30) Charles: Oh, this is how you get Caesar. They are so hysterical, I mean, when they’re saying that people like Milo Yiannopolis, is a gay, Jewish, race-mixing, libertarian; and they’re putting him along side Adolf Hitler; it’s just so bizarre, it’s like you guys have lost your shit. They’re not just attacking Richard Spencer anymore, they’re attacking Gavin McInnes, they’re attacking Milo Yiannopolis, they’re attacking normal, like normal people, like normal Trump people, at their little airport protest over in Portland…there was a guy who just had a Trump hat and I guess I don’t know, he may have said something, but a whole mob of people attacked him, knocked him out, gathered around and were like you deserve it you Nazi, ra, ra, ra! ...it was a very disgusting scene..I’ve never seen, like that before in my life; and they’re literally saying everyone’s a Nazi now and you can be violent toward Nazis at the Gavin McInnes protest. A professor at NYU was like, “you fucking police, you’re protecting a bunch of Nazis!” ...and its, like, its Gavin McInnes ok? He has a Native American wife, he likes Pat Buchanan, ok? He’s not Adolf Hitler. They’re just losing their shit so badly.

(35:57) Charles: This is the first time that the right has ever pushed back and they’re losing it.

(36:07) Richard Spencer: Whether this is due to social mood, or what have you… Bannon, as well, is interested in this fourth turning concept…it seems every thirty to fifty years or so there are these points where there are these paradigm shifts and people recognize it in their gut ...and they react to it and that’s when violence returns ...the inter-war period was a very clear example about this ....political violence, street violence, ideologies, I don’t like the word extremism, but compared to the bipartisan consensus of the 1980’s yes, it was kind of extremism. Very different visions of the world were clashing. You have a similar situation three decades after in the late 60’s and 70’s…where again, violent action, underground societies, bombings, again, a lot more things were in question, people were willing to do things. .. and as I grew up, I was born in 1978 so I grew up in the 80s and the 90’s, all of that stuff seemed totally impossible. The notion that you would kill someone over politics was basically insane. It was unthinkable. ...now it is clearly thinkable. There is no doubt that at one of these future events, whether it is I speak or whether its an NPI conference or whether its Gavin McInnes or whether its like Steven Crowder, there’s going to be blood on the fucking street, there is going to be deaths due to politics. That is something that everyone just assumed was over, but its back. There does seem to be a very intensely negative social mood going on and I think there is also this demand, and it comes from both the left and the right, this radical demand for a new paradigm, and we’re a part of that…. I was actually joking, but the Alt Right actually does have something in common with the anti-fa.

[That’s right, they’re both controlled opposition]

[Now to wrap up the friend enemy distinction as Jews would like to develop it]

(56:56) Richard Spencer: This is the way I would end it [wrap-up the podcast] one aspect of the civil war, at least as I would see it, is that ultimately it becomes two sides; and we are seeing that…what I’ve been used to, my career in this, has basically been… like your fighting two battles, on the one hand you’re fighting the left and the liberals, but I always viewed the real enemy as the phony right, like that’s the real enemy that you have to displace and destroy, the phony right, they’re the ones preventing a new right, a different right, an Alt Right from emerging…and so that’s how I viewed it… what’s happening now, I think is a different dynamic….and that is that we’re getting pushed-onto the same side, whether we like it or not.

It’s like the type of Alt Lite moral signalers, who want to talk about how un-racist they are, how Trump is going to be great for everyone, whether you’re a Korean shop owner, an African American or an Indian immigrant, we’re all going to be making America great again, that is just, I’m sorry, that is really quaint and kind of fun for you know, Cernovich. ...but that is all just total objective nonsense ..no one is going to take that seriously, like it’s already over.  Basically, the Alt Lite people are going to be attacked by the exact same people for the same reason [is this sounding more like plan than a prediction to you too?], using the same language and ideology as Richard Spencer or David Duke, or literally Hitler would be attacked by these people. You cannot differentiate yourself. There will ultimately be two sides ..at the end of the day, even they (honest liberals who would condemn anti-fa attacks) will be pushed onto the same side.

(59:23) Richard Spencer: And that’s where we are, we’re getting pushed onto two sides; and that is also a sign of a civil war. This isn’t some market place of ideas, this is a civil war where one side will win and one side won’t.

(59:44) Charles: Well, to purposely misquote Richard Nixon, we’re all national socialists now, when libertarians and cuckservatives and the likes of Bill Mitchell and Mike Cernovich, Gavin McInnes are compared to Adolf Hitler, it’s a preposterous time to be alive.. that’s where we’re at right now, the “basket of deplorables” is now the basket of Goebbels. .. we’re past the point, we can’t have a reasonable discussion. So when you hear Paul Joseph Watson in his British accent or whatever it is, talking about “oh, the ‘tolerant’ left, oh my, they just don’t want to have a discussion.” You’re right, they don’t want to have a discussion, they want to fight you, they want to kill us all. So what do you say, Paul, do you want to join us? Do you want to fight back? Or do you want to get beat up?

(101:06) Richard Spencer: The irony is that you and I would literally have a discussion with Paul Joseph Watson.. whereas the other side won’t. ...there’s a reason for that ..whatever you want to say about Paul Joseph Watson or Milo or whatever, we can talk with them .. there’s a compatible aspect to what we’re doing, we’re kind of like left and a right in a way.

(102:47) Richard Spencer: In terms of the Alt Lite, I can only imagine that a lot of them are waking up to this obvious reality

The right is infamous for getting people swept-up and lured into mistakes.

(102:59) Charles: I think they are. (((Lauren Southern))), I think, just made a video saying that it’s time to fight back.

(103:07) Richard Spencer: Yeah

(103:07) Charles: and it is, if you’re being attacked by these people, you have to defend yourself.

(103:15) Richard Spencer: Absolutely. Well, anyway, lets leave it on that note; this was great; unfortunately Andrew had to leave us a little bit early; yeah, so, we’re back and we’ll be doing this regularly. So, get ready. I’ll talk to you soon Charles.

(103:37) Charles: I’ll talk to you soon, Richard.


TRS, “Beyond The Wall Episode 6: Interview with Lawrence Murray”, 2 Jan 2017



Comments:


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Posted by Louise Rosealma before and after on Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:10 | #

LOL, the guy to the right wearing the “Jesus Will Judge You” jacket is just too perfect
- classic cartoon-like right wing.


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Posted by PTSD on Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:10 | #

Kumiko floated the interesting idea that if Louise Rosealma was throwing cherry bombs/m-80’s, as its been alleged she did, that this may have triggered a post traumatic stress response in war veteran Damigo.


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Posted by SERG on Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:53 | #

...AND IN MARGOTH JEWVIEW
http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com.br/2017/04/the-corruption-of-emily-marshall.html#disqus_thread


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Posted by anon on Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:11 | #

@PTSD

if you watch video filmed from the right angle you can see she was about to bottle the blonde haired kid but Damigo spotted her and ran over


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Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:57 | #

What do you have against Morgoth? “Kumiko” has been pretty active there lately. Maybe this place started to bore her?


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Posted by DanielS on Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:01 | #

I haven’t visited Morgoth’s site in a long time. I don’t know why she goes there to mix it up with the trolls in his comments sections, I don’t think she should bother; she showed me some of the comments and the people that she’s objecting to over there, and they merely appeared to me as dead ringers (obviously not proper ethnonationalists, while some of them do appear kosher); however, she might turn up something for the good of us all in this counter-trolling.

As far as what’s going on here, as anyone can see from this article and the others as one looks down the central and news sections, there are interesting and important ideas being put across at Majorityrights.


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Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:17 | #

Anonymous on Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:57 wrote:

What do you have against Morgoth? “Kumiko” has been pretty active there lately. Maybe this place started to bore her?

Anyone who places my name in quotation marks is probably a troll of some sort. It seems to be a reasonable heuristic. It can be said with an intermediate level of certainty that Mister Anonymous is writing to us from the centre of a known troll factory in Europe’s most cucked nation. I’ll leave the readers to guess which range of known IP addresses I’m referring to.

You are basically upset because I went into the comments section of Morgoth’s Review and created some really ‘interesting’ conversations.

Cry more.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:08 | #

To make it perfectly plain, because neither Daniel nor Kumiko has done so, “Anonymous” here did not originally post under that handle.  He represented himself as Morgoth, without having the digital voice of that esteemed gentleman.  I checked the comment feed for his particulars and realised by his childish and made-up email address and by his failure to hot-link to Morgoth’s Review, that this was a fraudulent poster.  Either Daniel or Kumiko went one further and changed the handle. Quite right too.


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Posted by Dr_Eigenvector on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 03:46 | #

Having worked on Morgoth’s Review for nearly two years I can tell you with absolute certainty that he does not usually have the time to police the comments thread there and that his heart is in the right place.

There’s always been a small army of dafties, weirdos and obsessives waiting in the wings to take over the comments thread as soon as they were able. It felt like being under seige. Now it looks like the dam has burst.

It was an amateurs “have a go” effort from the start, and it took off and worked well. Morgoth writes great articles but apart from that none of us had a clue what we were doing. You shouldn’t be too hard on the site. I’m really proud of what we achieved there. At a time when we were all getting kicked from MSM comments sections, all of a sudden we had our own refuge - and it was us doing the modding!

I checked yesterday and Morgoth is ploughing on. The comments thread was a disaster zone but there are still many fantastic posters there, several doing incredible work on Breitbart in particular. The site has had far more wins than losses, positives than negatives. We were guided by you guys. We listened to your critique.

I am disgusted by the way Kumiko is treated on her travels. We are infiltrated up to the eyeballs.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 04:43 | #

Doc, the one thing you guys could have done to help the comment quality issue was to set a couple of simple rules discriminating for intelligence!  For example, we used to have a header over the comment box stating that the threads are open to all but, in return, commenters must say something intelligent and say it in civil manner.  That, backed up by the removal of offending rubbish, worked to the extent that it stopped unintelligent and inarticulate trolls from pushing their agendas.  The intelligent and articulate trolls, however, could still do so.  That was the price one had to accept if one wanted a contest of opinions, which suited my purposes at that time.

Daniel, when he became Editor, decided he didn’t want that contest badly enough to entertain such folk, and there was a period of blood-letting - which, on the hole, I regret.  We lost good people like my friend Daniel A, whom I much admire.  But we lost cryptos too.

The work which Kumiko and Daniel are currently doing elsewhere on the net is, let us say, a purgative of a much wider kind.  The on-line movement (in Trumpite America especially, but also here) is infiltrated by interests which include Jewish activists and various state actors.  I wish Mike Rienzi would cotton on to this, and drop his really wild-eyed antipathy to us; because he is battering away at a helping hand.

I will take this opportunity to thank you personally, doc, for your continuing support of this blog, which is much valued.  I hope you sort out the problems on your threads.  Kick the buggers off.  It’s your blog, not theirs.


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Posted by Dr_Eigenvector on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 05:06 | #

I quit at the end of last year. No one’s even noticed so it’s all good.

Everybody there likes/dislikes a different range of other posters. One man’s daftie is another man’s genius. It was very hard to police, but the site was supposed to be for free speech so we let most stuff slide. Only Jews got banned. And a and a couple of Welshmen. We were raided by a libtard site once and they were horrified that the mods were more politically incorrect than everyone else and that you were more likely to get banned for not being racist enough!

The site, funnily enough, has never had much of a problem with direct JIDF intervention. They probably take a look and assume they’ve already got a squad in place there and that they can move on.

Unfortunately, most of the worst offenders are home grown. The site has attracted a rather, eclectic, mix of regulars that I would have zapped long since, but Morgoth insists on giving free reign. I believe they are detrimental to the cause, are holding the site back and rendering what we do/did there a waste of time and effort. Morgoth didn’t/doesn’t agree. So I bailed and spoke by my actions.

Thank you for that comment, GW.

Yours

Dr_E


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Posted by DanielS on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 05:19 | #

Daniel, when he became Editor, decided he didn’t want that contest badly enough to entertain such folk, and there was a period of blood-letting - which, on the hole, I regret.  We lost good people like my friend Daniel A, whom I much admire.  But we lost cryptos too.

It should be regrettable to no one that we do not have to waste time with people who insist upon us entertaining Jesus, Hitler, Jews, and utter conspiracy theory.

This is informational noise - disinformation really.

On two of those issues DanielA fought me bitterly, saying that I destroyed the site by not allowing for this informational noise; and still I did not ban him, I banned endless trafficking in this stuff he insisted upon.

In fact, there is no loss in shedding relentless trolls like Thorn. It had to be done.

Rienzi was never open to a helping hand; he would not be so antagonistic to us otherwise.

These people are a waste of time and almost nobody has been banned from the site; they simply understand that they are not welcome to waste our time with that garbage and there is no loss - it is an infinitely clear path without that stuff in our way.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 05:55 | #

Doc, why don’t you write some pieces for us?  Your analytic and rhetorical gifts are too useful to the movement to be wasted on the Breitbart community, and you have been a friend to us for far too long to be ignored.  At the very least you could knock out a few analyses of current developments when you please.

Daniel, I have no problem talking to Christian WNs, even about their Christianity.  We should understand that probably around two-thirds, maybe more, of Europeans do have a faith facility.  They will believe.  Their belief arises in a particular emotional attachment, and not necessarily a religious emotional attachment.  In an age when the Christian Church is dying that belief will take other forms.  We have to deal with it come what may.


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Posted by DanielS on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 05:59 | #

Christians have other places to go. That shit is one of the greatest weapons against us and its has no place here.


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Posted by Dr_Eigenvector on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 06:24 | #

Jesus, Hitler, Jews, and utter conspiracy theory

Yeah, they all ended up on M-Rev alongside the resident numerologists and TV obsessives.

Cheers!

______

Everyone involved put their shoulder to the wheel at exactly the right moment in exactly the right way. This was our chance to do politics before 2020, and we did it.

The weirdos, dafties, semi-normies, Christians, even non-Whites (a lot of non-Whites, as it turns out) - the Alt-Lite - are part of “our” base and support somehow, some way now. Whether we like it or not.

See Reddit The_Donald.


(Fair play to this lad, he did get stuck right in)

On the internet they are impossible to escape from. And now irl too.

Millions of people have seen footage of blacks and trannies fighting for “us” on the front lines in the recent skirmishes.

We multicultural now.


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Posted by DanielS on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 06:46 | #

Well, Dr. Eigenvector, the rules that I established here - of necessity - are really not hard to abide; they are natural for truly normal people. It wasn’t really a choice to establish them. I’m not sure why you could not see that I should not have to take the kind of insane abuse rendered from the likes of Thorn, Haller and some other abusive Jesus freak named Joe, but it is entirely predictable that it would spiral into a wasteful and confusing mess if rules weren’t established to keep these kinds out and send them to the available alternatives.

Kumiko has experienced it these past few days, so she knows what it’s like.

I was never against you, thought your comments were mostly very good, but that you were mistaken in this comment where you said:

Can’t you just ignore posts or posters that you dislike or disagree with?

That is what normal people do.

The result is what happened at Morgoths.


Your full comment:

Posted by ukn_leo on Wed, 17 Apr 2013 07:33 | #

I have learned so much from reading Leons posts Dan. As someone with natural conservative leanings, bought up in a Christian household, I see much sense in what he has to say.

The same applies to Thorn and even the much maligned Joe.

I do not agree that their contributions are distracting or derailing. Maybe raw IQ power does not equate to mental strength? To character? Are we (MR readers and regulars) that easily swayed and distracted?

The pathetic, childish internal bickering is infinitely more offputting and upsetting. Speaking as a representative of the MR Less Learned and Lurkers Cooperative we understand that you super boffs have zero people skills. This is all too painfully clear.

Can’t you just ignore posts or posters that you dislike or disagree with?

That is what normal people do.

You were mistaken in your defense of Joe (I could dig up some of his old comments if need be), Haller and Thorn. However, I chalk this up to an error in judgment, perhaps a lack of understanding for what they put me, the site, and ultimately what they put the cause through… but it never rendered you irredeemable or unwelcome here provided that you understand (and why shouldn’t you?) that we can’t have enemy trolls doing their thing ad nauseum.


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Posted by Dr_Eigenvector on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 07:04 | #

It’s beyond intimidating to post here at all, GW.

Thank you for the kind offer. Time is my problem.

This is the assessment of Reddit Anarchism:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/

Fascists literally own the internet and they are using it to push their agenda perfectly…we are losing the culture war

Correction: we have lost

 


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Posted by Dr_Eigenvector on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 07:43 | #

@17

a lack of understanding for what they put me, the site, and ultimately what they put the cause through

Fuck all.

Do what you like lad, it’s your site, I don’t give a fuck. When I had internet power it went to my head too.

I’m off, enjoy your weekend.


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Posted by DanielS on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 09:32 | #

I should have said, what they and their kind put MR and the cause through.

For what was a grammatical oversight (leaving out “and their kind”), it could have looked as if their (Thorn, Haller and Joe)‘s particular obstruction made that much of a difference (by itself) in my mind; it could therefore seem like my difference with them in particular has “gone to my head” as being that important.

Even so, maintaining a coherent platform hasn’t gone to my head. It is necessary to maintain because it is a true course, making crucial distinctions and eminently practical - it works and it is important indeed.


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Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 10:14 | #

I had to intervene against inappropriate imagery. I’m not usually the censor but this time I had to do it.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 10:20 | #

Thanks, Kumiko.


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Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 12:26 | #

I was recently banned from Occidental Dissent for asking what was apparently the most impertinent of questions: just who is the occupant of Hunter Wallace’s parents’ basement?  Lulz


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Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:27 | #

That’s because the occupant of that basement is literally Hunter Wallace himself, according to the information we have. Well played, that was epic.


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Posted by Dr_Eigenvector on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 06:16 | #

Apologies for the ott meme. If you guys think it’s ok to dig out posts from 4 years ago to use against allies, one of the very first comments I ever made online, then, what can I say. Well, the following, I guess…

My personal experience with you “right-wingers” is fairly negative, to put it mildly. As people I hold most of you in very low regard. All I got for hundreds and hundreds of hours of work and effort at M-Rev was a load of abuse and even regular death threats (from “Christians” and guys supposedly on our side). I managed to keep the worst dafties away from M-Rev as long as I could, but they were utterly obsessed with the place. The moment I quit they all came instantly flooding back in (for two years some of them had lurked and waited!). Your man Copyright became an enemy of the site because we kept his insane Christian friends out and didn’t allow them to co-opt the threads.

I look at my work colleagues and wonder what it would take to get them onboard. Perhaps they could get to Alt-Lite. There is a chance they could come all the way to this side if the environment and circumstances were right.

It wouldn’t be the ideas that held them back. The arguments are solid. It would be the people that inhabit this end of the spectrum that would put them off.

Morgoth’s Review is now a containment board for weirdos and dafties, held safely and securely there, whilst vast progress is made elsewhere.

It’s sad, but it is what it is.

Morgoth is an arrogant, weak, vain man and that is what is at the heart of the problems there. The dafties have undertaken a long-term charm offensive against him and he has been putty in their hands.

Sites such as M-Rev are an irrelevance when we have places like /pol/ pushing 200k posts and 50 million uniques per day. But this is Alt-Lite success. This end of the spectrum doesn’t seem to have grown at all and those responsible can be individually named.

You are one of them, Dan.


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Posted by DanielS on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 06:30 | #

Apologies for the ott meme. If you guys think it’s ok to dig out posts from 4 years ago to use against allies, one of the very first comments I ever made online, then, what can I say. Well, the following, I guess…

I wasn’t using it against YOU Dr. Eigenvector, it was to refer back to a point where you were not seeing how necessary it became to draw lines. I did not deem you incorrigible or unworthy as an ally by any means.

My personal experience with you “right-wingers” is fairly negative, to put it mildly

Mine and Kumiko’s experience of Right Wingers is very negative. GW had a bad taste left in his mouth by misrepresentations of social organization in the 70’s, intransigent contentiousness to nationalism which came largely out of the universities from ‘68 onward and so in reaction he has become intransigently contentious to anything that even remotely looks like that…

He’s a good and intelligent man who is caught in a loop, but yes, other right wingers by an large are a foul breed.

Your experience at Morgoth’s only confirms why I had to do what I did.


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Posted by anon on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 08:48 | #

Doc

My personal experience with you “right-wingers” is fairly negative, to put it mildly.

imo xenophobia/xenophilia are genetic traits in balanced selection

(where the default human border for xenophobia starts at around 2nd cousin)

i think the ban on cousin marriage led to europe undergoing a process whereby the midpoint of the euro bell curve shifted in the xenophile direction (to allow greater cooperation between non-kin) so whereas most parts of the world 2nd cousin xenophobia is their normal, euro descent people have a xenophile segment, a xenophobic segment (extended out to race and nation rather than 2nd cousin) and a lot of people in the middle.

the instinctively xenophobic segment do tend to put off the people in the middle - not because they are wrong, as it happens they turned out to be correct but because their tone puts other people off.

that was a problem until white genocide became obvious and people from the middle started to join in - but they did so it’s all good now.

have fun smile

 


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:02 | #

Doc,

Don’t worry about that image.  It will take more than one mistake to burn your cred with me.

I look at my work colleagues and wonder what it would take to get them onboard. Perhaps they could get to Alt-Lite. There is a chance they could come all the way to this side if the environment and circumstances were right.

It is difficult to communicate values with words alone.  Intellect is the servant of values, which are held emotionally and which it tends not to interrogate.  I don’t think we have given enough thought as to whether our words can really penetrate.  We assume too much of their obvious argumentational success.

As to the right environment, I have never been an advocate of the “worse is better” school.  Worse is worse, basically; and worse is survivable a long way down.  That isn’t the sort of environment I want our people to experience.  We need to construct the environment too, by investing reaction to it with a healthy emotional power.  We need painters, photographers, film-makers, authors, musicians, priests even, as much as we need intellectuals, journalists, activists, and politicians.  We have to break out of the internet and venture into life.

This is what Daniel’s thinking should be focussed on, in my opinion; because communication in the singular sense he employs the term is a tool; and this is very much a communication issue.


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Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:58 | #

Dr Eigenvector is a delicate tropical flower whose pedals begin to droop when the foul stench of uncouth right-wingers wafts in his direction.  Lulz. What a fucking pussy!


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Posted by Dr_Eigenvector on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:39 | #

@29 CC

 


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Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 14:03 | #

Most of this conversation going forward should not really happen publicly, though, as the people being discussed are obviously going to read it and model their future behaviour to take into account what you have said. Skype voice calls exist for a reason, and Doctor Eigenvector should probably just call me ASAP. Seriously call me, fam!

What I will say in the open though, is that all of the events which have occurred since 2015, including the comments posted here, and including some things that have been said and done in public, and including the outcome of the explorative forays into comments sections of certain websites (eg, me winding up the denizens at Morgoth’s Review, winding up Ted Sallis at EGI Notes, AWPM at AltRight, and etc), have actually just served to confirm the validity of my—unfortunately up until now—much-maligned and not-yet-enacted messaging concept called colloquially ‘the Overton Address Extension’. It just took a while to demonstrate its necessity internally to the others here.

It’s time to bring it out again, dust it off, and do it. As soon as Theresa May is safely elected, I think that total retooling needs to occur among a disciplined group and that the time-frame for it should be 2018 to 2022. Majorityrights is perfectly placed for that role. We need to find as many people as possible who are willing to weather extensive criticism and abuse from the so-called ‘White Nationalists’, and who are willing to write for basically no pay because you will never actually get any advertising revenue, bitcoin or paypal donations because the audience are a bunch of misers. In other words, this is a public advertisement for a task I’m not even willing to describe publicly and for which you will unfortunately not be paid.

Sounds great, right? That’s the main problem, there’s no ‘nice’ way to ask someone to serve their country. But there it is.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 14:35 | #

In other words, this is a public advertisement for a task I’m not even willing to describe publicly and for which you will unfortunately not be paid.

Worse in my case.  I would actually get to pay for the privilege.


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Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 15:13 | #

Meanwhile, on a more distractionary note, here’s Ted Sallis:

Ted Sallis / EGI Notes, ‘Silk Road News: WN and Other items’, 22 Apr 2017 (emphasis added):

Another bizarre Asiatic behavior explained.  An annoying habit for an annoying people.

Colored is as Colored Does; Asians = more intelligent Negroes.

I’m not seeing the problem here. Am I supposed to be dismayed at any of that? It means that finally, Asians who Sallis thought were weird and insular when he was in school 420,000 years ago, are now in 2017 more popular and more cool than the African-Americans.

I guess he’ll just have to accept it. Get ready for this windup, there is almost no chance that Sallis will be able to resist responding to it.


BLACKPINK - BOOMBAYAH (MV)

It’s amazing how combining East Asian, Central Asian, South Asian, Native American, Circassian and South Balkans influences together into a pop sound can produce such a great sound. And you can’t accuse us of cultural appropriation, we are after all only appropriating ourselves. Or ‘becoming who we are’ as some would put it.

You are not intimidating me with your anti-Asian screeds, Sallis. I literally couldn’t give a fuck. At all.


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Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 15:31 | #

Guessedworker wrote:

Worse in my case.  I would actually get to pay for the privilege.

Also, that.

People should at least come and hear out the strategy, after all, they don’t have anything to lose from hearing it.


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