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2. Texts have to be ‘translated’ mentally by those reading them into European thought forms, making “our” sacred texts essentially a form of Orientalist scholarship from the beginning. However, scholarship is often critical of its sources, whereas our sacred traditions view these oriental texts as completely authoritative and really the last word on spirituality. 3. The text alienates the common reader because the unique mindset for culturally co-opting this oriental religion is only shared by a few, who become priests. There is little or no resonance for the common man in the stories of the Bible. Unlike the Homeric stories, which we know to be widely disseminated and enjoyed in ancient Hellas, the sources of our religious tradition have belonged from the beginning to the few Orientalists who would submit to their foreignness and teach it authoritatively to the rest of us. Those who viewed the adoption of oriental thought forms as the purest access to spirituality became the fathers of our traditions. 4. The alien nature of our Jewish religious texts means that they cannot be added to in a similar style; there was necessarily a complete stylistic break when they were imported. This means that we cannot add to them or treat them as living documents, but rather as relics to defer to as over and above ourselves. This kills the possibility of building a pre-rational, living tradition within our own lands. The most a British man can hope for, spiritually, is to become an obedient antiquarian for the inspired Jews of the Hellenist Levant.
A long and winding conversation, as much as an interview, with Alex Linder. One hour seventeen minutes long, in fact. File size 35.2MB.
As happens sometimes here, a thread given over to one subject has been rudely assaulted by another ... the perennial, insoluble, irresistible problem of ... well, God. So with belated apologies to Soren, whose thread God offended against, I’m relocating the unequal struggle here. Just in case the Blighter has any fight left in Him. In danielj’s intellectual armoury lies the following by no means rusty and unsharpened assertion:
Now, this way of looking at the empirical enemy recognises the hard and unpalatable fact that ever since that night in Oxford when the Bishop was slain by a mawnkey, religion has been in full and undignified retreat. We all know the story. I don’t need to reproduce it here. The reverberations of that night, and of the publishing event that preceded it, still reach down to us today, a century and a half later. Although evolutionary science has won every battle since, the faculty of faith is nothing if not enduring. It doesn’t give up. It can’t. It is as much a part of the human genome as the strict and methodological intellectualism it disdains. So we have daniel’s response to all the long years of being told that Christians are dealers in self-deception. It is to assert that the scientific method - the pursuit of the predictive - is predicated on belief no less than belief itself. Now, I am not much interested in how this conclusion is reached. It must, after all, only be a matter of faith. It cannot, by its own admission, be true. And there is the little local difficulty. Daniel’s stratagem has the effect of rendering all truth hollow and meaningless, though this probably isn’t his intention. We are not taken back to some sweet life of the mid-Victorian past, filled with simple and good, hi-fidelity hearts. We are transported to a truthless world, and Man cannot live without truth. Truth is more necessary, more visceral and humane, more of our lives than faith or beauty ever was or, most certainly, ever will be. But that is what happens when the terms of the debate are dictated by Christians, and all categories are reduced to mere belief. Well, let’s keep them separate here, at least. The committment to ontology and the committment to teleology are separated by qualitative differences. They employ the qualitatively different methods of, respectively, proof and prayer, and journey along qualitatively different lines. Ontology predicates experience > hypothesis > predictiveness > truth. Teleology predicates thought > idealism > faith > beauty. Truth and beauty are not equals. Truth leads to enlightenment. Beauty leads only to itself. To make truth and beauty both matters of belief is disingenuous and rather unEuropean. It has something in common with the semitic attraction to postmodernism, and the equally semitic promulgation of the Sociobiology Wars of the 1970s, 80s and 90s. It is inappropriate for us. Let the faithful reflect, if they can possibly bring themselves to, on the spirituality of superfice which eschews the subtle and difficult, the psychological, and grasps instead at bibles and prayers, salvation and eternal life, and all the beautiful exordia of self-deception and moral frailty that once cost “witches” their yet more beautiful lives and brought destruction to the sons of men in a way that blood and soil never did. Let them reflect on the responsibility they all share of bearing a powerful psychological driver through life without visiting harm upon others, as one would with the sex drive or with male aggression. Let them learn to withhold it from the world, keep it private so public life, public progress and intellectualism can proceed, naturally enough, not on daniel’s relativistic terms but on their own.
So began a speech by Prof Andrew Fraser given last March at the Inverell Forum, Australia’s famously incorrect annual celebration of dissident opinion and free speech. The Forum organisers produce DVDs of each of the speeches, and it is thanks to MR reader John Fitzgerald that the Fraser speech is now in transcribed form and I can quote from it. In the first part of the speech, Fraser traces the roots of white racial consciousness through the period of slave-owning in the American South, the development of white skin privilege and white equality, and the emergence in the North of the fundamentals of modern human rights. “In Australia,” he asks, “how can you run an immigration policy on the basis of discrimination between white and non-white, especially once you start to play around with the notion of white, because white is not synonymous with Anglo-Saxon. Afterwards you get massive numbers of Italians, Greeks and Lebanese Christians. Are they white? Just where is the boundary of whiteness? So then it became human-ness that really counts. And so you have what came to be known as the non-discriminatory immigration policy.” Now, Fraser had begun by using the term “spiritual disorder”, so it should be no surprise that from here on the speech focuses heavily on the, as he sees it, broad failure of Christianity in the crisis of Anglo-Saxon identity. “It’s a mistake,” he tells us, “to do what a lot of people on the right would do; blame it all on the Frankfurt School, or the Jews or, as I hear here, the Illuminate.” Fraser roots the entire process in the Papal revolution which confined the action of kings to the secular world. “The world becomes flattened, “he says, “God is a being, we are beings, he is an infinite being, we are finite beings ... In that kind of context God, because he’s infinite, becomes very remote and only accessible to us through his will.”
Over the last few days I have conducted an e-mail exchange with “Rocket”, whom readers will know for his firm universalist Christian stand. Rocket asked to post here on the juxtaposing of ethnocentric and universalist Christian aims and values. What we’ve ended up with is this, which parentage is very much more Rocket’s than mine. So it is his handle which appears beneath the post. In the sociological substratum of ethnocentrism versus authentic Christian universalism there are a number of interesting ways to compare and contrast these two value systems. One significant qualitative difference lies in the dual concepts of honor and shame, which are the tribal equivalents of redemption and retribution in Christianity. Historically, tribes with an iron clad bloodline-identification placed a high premium on honor and shame. Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Germania and its conflict with Pax Romana, and how the German tribes refused to be subdued. Hence they remained free men in the sense of retaining control over their tribe’s fate. Meantime, through the vicarious sacrifice of Christ, the Christian is embraced by divine forgiveness. Hence he lives as a free men, even though his life-circumstances may dictate otherwise. There can be no honor for the followers of Jesus of Nazareth because His followers do not seek honor from men, including each other. They do seek redemption, though, and an act of altruism towards the poor and sick is redeeming. Hard-heartedness or greed, on the other hand, will meet with retribution. The parallel in the old Germanic world was that hard-hearted fighting was in-group altruism, and there was honor if you fought as an Ostrogoth and great shame if you did not.
Dr Tomislav Sunic writing under his heading of “American neo-paganism in his book, Homo americanus. Now, I’ve put together this quote because it contains both halves of what I suppose we must call the Christianity Question, namely:- 1) The role of the Bible in communicating the Jewish materialistic worldview, out of which came the obsessive 20th Century drive for world improvement. All liberalism’s children, including communism, democratism, predatory capitalism, even anti-semitism in Tom’s view, are just secular offshoots of this strange, borrowed Levantine faith. And there is no end to it as long as we draw water from that well. 2) The desirability and grave difficulty of recovering mythological value for Europeans (which Tom qualifies as “the quest for their ancestral heritage”). I am going to make a few observations about both issues. I do so with some nervousness about treading on hallowed ground. I am a stranger to faith myself and would not, even if I was able, wish to follow Richard Dawkins’ tasteless precedent. I am not, therefore, making a case against faith. My case against Christianity is the case against the leaden characteristics of the Jewish god. With that caveat then, here goes.
This is the promised second interview with Andrew Fraser, conducted here by James Bowery.
None-too-bright but seemingly unstoppable lip-flapper and scourge of English survivalism ... “The Man” when it comes to equality ... the one and only Trevor Phillips, Tony’s Georgetown bro, has been laying those smooth, smooth moves on the BNP. Again.
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