Spencer: My conception of the ethnostate is imperialist - true ethno nationalism is a zero sum game. My conception of the ethnostate is imperialist - true ethno nationalism is a zero sum game. “My conception of the ethnostate is imperialist actually.” “True ethno nationalism is a zero sum game.” - Richard Spencer Fortunately, Britain seems to be joining the revised TPP11; and the Visigrad Groups are holding their own as a geopolitical connection on the upper Silk Road, to provide an ethnonational bulwark against any Spencer/Duginesque imperial blob larp that would sprawl oblivious to profound heritage, Lisbon to Vladivastok, Vladivastok to Nova Scotia.
And YKW Richard? They’ve already invaded and infiltrated, so have the blacks and Muslims. Perhaps the fact that Britain seems to be joining the revised TPP11 and the Visigrad Groups are holding their own as a geopolitical connection on the upper Silk Road can provide an ethnonational bulwark against the Spencer/Dugin imperialist blob that would sprawl oblivious to profound heritage, Lisbon to Vladivastok, Vladivastok to Nova Scotia. Zero sum game is a straw man…Spencer says Poland can’t do it alone - a straw man because nobody is saying that (or should be saying that they can). Spencer calls ethno nationalism a zero sum game -
A zero sum game is an imperialist /supremacist model (what I call right wing) - that’s a straw man of ethno nationalism and its true motive. Ethno-nationalism defined properly would provide for accountably delimited, manageable but sufficiently powerful units - manageable units which can then facilitate coordination of the whole regional powers, e.g. the region of Europe or Asia, etc.; which can then, in turn, coordinate between those regional interests. Spencer is trying camouflage the quid pro quo; but tips his hand with condescending dismissal of Polish and European ethnonationalism, the anti western Ukraine bit - clues to his pro Russian Fed sentiment and neo-Molotov-Ribbentrop larp. It is imperialism (e.g., Nazi imperialism), not nationalism, or even ethnonationalism, that caused the great wars.
Sure, it’s really hard to understand that we need alliances, powerful alliances, Richard. ...............................................
Nice try Richard, “hail Trump!” .....hangout with Baked Alaska concludes:
Get over it man. This straw-man. Who is saying that we just want our little Poland? ......... Greg Johnson’s idea of the ethno state discussed with Tara McCarthy and Styxhexenhammer666. Problems there too, his elitism is prone as well, but let’s focus on Spencer for now.
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Posted by DanielS on Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:16 | # I can basically agree, and that distortion perhaps comes about for his fancying himself Nietzschean. While I understood what I meant to say by the prior form of this sentence, it is more clearly stated thus: A zero sum game is an imperialist /supremacist model (what I call right wing) - that’s a straw man of ethno nationalism and its true motive. Ethno-nationalism defined properly would provide for accountably delimited, manageable but sufficiently powerful units - manageable units which can then facilitate coordination of the whole regional powers, e.g. the region of Europe or Asia, etc.; which can then, in turn, coordinate between those regional interests. 4
Posted by DanielS on Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:52 | # Nor will the German chauvinism of Carolyn’s friends - who always tried to accuse me of Polish chauavinism lol. It is imperialism (e.g., Nazi imperialism) not nationalism, or even ethnonationalism, that caused the great wars. 5
Posted by Captainchaos on Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:52 | # Daniel, how come you deleted Kumiko the Jap’s post about that Sutherland guy? Was it because she finally spurned your advances? 6
Posted by DanielS on Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:05 | # I didn’t delete it. It was an old post which I “stickied” upon the occasion of Sutherland’s death, it’s becoming topically relevant again as such. The article is from 2015 and is still there in the archives - Sutherland continues a long tradition of expropriation of people from the land, 8 October 2015 7
Posted by DanielS on Thu, 11 Jan 2018 06:24 | # I’m still improving this sentence. The latest permutation: A zero sum game is an imperialist /supremacist model (what I call right wing) - that’s a straw man of ethno nationalism and its true motive. Ethno-nationalism defined properly would provide for accountably delimited, manageable but sufficiently powerful units - manageable units which can then facilitate coordination of the whole regional powers, e.g. the region of Europe or Asia, etc.; which can then, in turn, coordinate between those regional interests. 8
Posted by Czech losses 30 Years War/ Versailles on Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:09 | # Speaking of Richard giving an arbitrary historical starting point and trivializing distinctions, such as that of the Czechs - “whatever that its.” It is significant to note that Richard brings into question not only the legitimacy, but even the reality of the distinction - e.g. “the Czechs, whatever that is” - a typical first step, politically, to doing away with these differences in reality:
One question that I put out there for historians, and I never got an answer from them: When the Versailles treaty decided to put the Sudetenland under Czech control, was it taking into consideration not only vital strategic resource and barrier aspects necessary for Czech… ...but also taking into consideration Czech’s integrity given losses of territory, cultural artifacts, and most significantly, massive losses of Czech population - “whatever that is” - in the 30 Years war? As I recall, there was a race replacement aspect, that the Czechs (Bohemians) sustained the worst losses of all in the Thirty Years War.
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Posted by Spencer: on last chance for kosher immigration on Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:10 | # Richard Spencer (7:55): “I would say that this is the last chance, this is the moment, for respectable, kosher, immigration reform to take place”... One indication of “kosher” ethnnonationalism seems to be sentiments such as proposing that Florida be set aside for blacks, while actual natives, such as the Seminole, are not given a second thought. Particularly as Amerindios tend to be indifferent to Jewish concerns, at times even hostile, the kosher view would apparently prefer to live beside blacks. In his discussion of the ethnostate with Tara McCarthy and Beast 666 mentioned at the bottom of the main post: Greg Johnson also fails to consider this angle - that natives should be preferred as better warranted neighbors and allies as opposed to blacks. 10
Posted by DanielS on Sun, 14 Jan 2018 02:58 | # Some matters to bring back to the table: 1) The idea that imperialism causes war and not nationalism. That comes into question directly with a second re-consideration - 2) The idea that nationalism can be a non-zero sum game. That imperialism can cause wars - wars of the widest and most destructive scale at that - is obvious. But that is not a trivial difference; it is a quantity that probably makes for a different quality - perhaps in its disposition toward sub-conflicts between nations. It is also clear that nations, ethno-nations or otherwise, can instigate wars - markedly with regard to border disputes, territorial claims. However, an imperial mindset can treat these conflicts cynically, as disputes between lesser peoples/nations (as the Ukrainian/Polish conflict, e.g. was viewed by the imperialist view of The Soviets and Nazis) to be exploited, rather than to be helped in non-zero sum negotiation by third parties, from a more perspicuous overview. Perhaps it is getting cute, perhaps not, to try to re-define these border disputes not as wars (but as battles, skirmishes, some lesser term of conflict - inarticulate negotiation), and the cause of these conflicts as not being a problem of nationalism, but of an imperial mindset which sees the territorial disputes as non-negotiable and rather in an either/or, zero-sum sense: “Either you have Gdansk/Danzig all to your nation, or you don’t - it cannot be a neutral, shared territory as the Versailles Treaty designated-it.” “Either you have L’viv or you don’t” in the case of the Ukrainian / Polish border dispute. Now, I’m just using these as historical examples, not looking to re-negotiate their status now for heavens’ sake. A zero-sum of ethnonatioalism can be applied to genetics as well - either you are of this ethnic group or you are not, and your kind is advanced to the next generation or it is not. Perhaps the imperial perspective, in overseeing the quantity, is responsibly invoked as metacommunication of negotiation, i.e., for the purpose of seeing beyond scarcity, to get to persuasion and distribution, to maintain a balance of ethnonationalism as opposed to implementation of sheer force on the side of imperialism. In order for ethnonationals to not be looked upon as the source of war, in fact to not be a source of wars (albeit of lesser scale and a catalyst for larger scale involvement) perhaps ethnonationals would be asked also to negotiate the maintenance of qualitative differences of people and territory as resources on that level of quantitative distribution. It remains a fundamental and most important fact, however, that after dispute over borders (which can perhaps be re-framed and negoatiated in a non-zero sum sense) and with some reasonable presence and size, ethnonationalism is not basically, let alone necessarily, a zero-sum game. * We’re focusing here on a negotiative disposition between European peoples. Genetic distance (quantitative difference) should be invoked along with significant qualitative differences as a reason for non-negotiation on the minor, i.e. national scale, and in some cases more than others - with blacks there should be less tolerance of negotiation; the negotiation should be, you go there, with them in their nation, if that’s what you want to intermarry with; blacks have a biological hegemony in long prior evolution, that brigs to bear their pejorative qualities (e.g., aggression); while Mulattoes not only change European DNA significantly and bring those black patterns further to bear upon Whites, they do not even serve to stem the tide of blacks proper. With Jews and some groups housed within Islam, their qualitative differences and how they impact upon Europeans must be taken into consideration; i.e., negotiation is a highly dubious prospect, not only because they are connected with antagonistic cultures, even if apparently benign of their individual selves, but also because being so intermarried of themselves (cousins at least) that one relatively benign generation can beget a virulent and antagonistic (or irresponsibly indifferent) one in re-manifestation of the subsequent generation. 11
Posted by uh on Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:07 | # As it happens, Czech cities are very non-white. Africans all over Prague. People I can’t place all over Brno. Serbia’s fine. 12
Posted by Japan: All 11 CPTPP to sign on Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:03 | #
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Posted by Richard will be availabe at the Gaylord Hotel on Sat, 24 Feb 2018 08:33 | # 14
Posted by Spencer, Fuentes & JF on Thu, 03 May 2018 08:15 | # Following this bizarrely Jewy introduction to the JF Gariepy show… we are taken to the center ring and shown why these three clowns - Spencer, Fuentes and JF - cannot be left to set the terms and philosophy of White advocacy. Spencer continues to espouse Duginism as the wellspring of his imperialism. He is still doing the elite Jewish bidding of “defining the left” for us - most markedly, defining it as THE enemy on behalf of his Jewish masters. He says that “the left cannot accept White identity” (not if he and his Jewish masters can help it, that much is true) and maybe “the left” cannot accept White identity but The White left can. Then Spencer chimes in (admits-to, as it were), with this travesty to human and pervasive ecology:
Your Jewish masters could not have said it better and could not have found a better mouthpiece. 15
Posted by JF's girlfriend's (((Cohencidental Appearnce))) on Thu, 30 Aug 2018 15:25 | # Note: Gariepy has apparently since taken DNA tests along with his girlfriend and both indicate No Jewish heritage. That is probably true].
This woman appears on screen in JF’s place, celebrating at the exact moment that Spencer was saying that the Israeli state should be respected - (((Cohencidenal timing of her appearnce)))? Maybe ...JF later acknowledges that she’s his girlfriend, but says she’s not Jewish (((Cohencidental appearance)))? Maybe. Here is a transcript of the moment that she appears on screen celebrating:
Then later says
While I don’t know that Spencer is exactly ‘promoting’ the Kalergi plan, he is defending the plan which was advanced by Kalergi, a proponent of pan-mixia, including of Europeans with non-Europeans. Here is the exact quote:
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Posted by JF Gariepy gives Roosh V. a BJ. on Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:13 | # ...Just when you thought JF Gariepy’s subgenius couldn’t be any more insufficient to the task:
Related at Majorityrights:
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Posted by Richard Spencer on Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:28 | # If you have any real concern about maintaining the discreet European kinds (which any person the least bit conscientious, should), Richard Spencer is NOT your guy - Around 1:35 he’s putting forth tidbits like this:
Richard Spencer is as thoughtless and reckless as ever…. ..even with our Ethnic Genetic Interests.
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Posted by Jake Tapper is also half Globalist on Sat, 02 Mar 2019 18:14 | # Funny Tweet by Ann Coulter:
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Posted by Thpenther's Imperialithm on Thu, 03 Oct 2019 04:06 | # The McSpencer Group—September 19, 2019
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Posted by Spencer and Fuentes on Mon, 04 Nov 2019 12:27 | # There has apparently been back and forth ridicule between Nick Fuentes and Richard Spencer, the first part of this clip featuring Spencer’s critical take on Fuentes direction. It is followed by a (((Milo))) leak of a revealing Richard Spencer meltdown after the Unite the Right Charlottesville debacle (coupled with “a reaction to Heather Heyer’s death”). Spencer is much worse (an imperialist supremacist) than even I thought. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=83&v=4cCS1cP69Wo Nick Fuentes has done himself great harm as well, with a bit attempting to normalize Hitler as a classic nationalist, laughing about holocaust numbers, drawing analogies to 6 million cookies in an oven. I thought that Fuentes was smarter than this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgN4ipYosPs
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Posted by kosher vista on Wed, 06 Nov 2019 10:20 | # Though Liddell is all too friendly and collaborative with the YKW (and therefore the Affirmative Right site that he edits and those who appear on it, from Andy Nowicki on…), he does this with a self consciousness that Spencer’s reactionary elitism lacks, that makes for unwitting collaboration with and instigated direction by Jewry, contributing to his many disasters, from defying one of the closest approximations to an ethno national leadership - Viktor Orban - whose express wishes prohibited Spencer from holding a conference he’d organized to be held in Budapest - to getting behind Trump and his paleokosher agenda - hailgating his victory - to what should have been the predictable disaster of Charlottesville - and the clandestine recording of his telling elitism, larped after supremacism. Though generally off the mark of the requirements for our people’s advocacy, Liddell’s position affords a perspective, a vista on this situation that The Alt Right’s own political correctness only grudgingly affords, where at all: 23
Posted by Brutus the Saxon on Sun, 24 Nov 2019 03:03 | # Americans who want to destroy Britain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18mlKlkFj-I ... Post a comment:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:16 | #
Spencer is guilty of category error. He is mistaking the nation, as the vessel of the interests of a people, with the economic interests of its corrupt and ambitious, Nietzschean elites. Ethnic nationalism does not admit of sectional interests, but seeks to cohere all the interests of the folk, among which economic expansionism and executive self-aggrandisement do not feature.
It might help if he knew something about human nature. It might also help if his historical reading did not commence at 1933 and end at 1939.