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Separating Wilders, Spencer, Fjordmann, GoV, Breivik from the genuine article

Posted by Guessedworker on Monday, 25 July 2011 00:46.

For racial nationalists who think that Anders Behring Breivik’s political beliefs are meaningful and, therefore, a profound problem, a rewarding study of his internet activity has been undertaken by Mark Humphrys, an Irish right-liberal and fellow traveller of the GoV brigade.  Said brigade is, of course, much more disaccommodated by Brievik’s slaughter of innocents than we are.

Humphrys asks the question, “Should the counter-jihad feel guilt about this monster?”

Well, when he took part in public counter-jihad discussions up to Oct 2010, he seemed fairly mainstream. There is nothing that would make one call the police. He was right-wing and anti-jihad, yes, but he was not a neo-Nazi (he was pro-Israel) or a white supremacist (he opposed the BNP because they are racist). He was Christian, but not a fanatic (he was pro-gay). In fact he was apparently like me - liberal right. He was anti-racist, pro-gay and pro-Israel. So how on earth did someone like that become a terrorist against the West?

OK, so he can’t tell the difference between racial separatism and racial supremacism.  How many times have we seen liberals fail on that one?  Dymphna at GoV answered Humphrys’ last question with the words, “it.will.not.compute.”  But what Humphrys concludes is that Breivik went over to the dark side in October 2010, and darkness is identified not with racial nationalism or even with racial supremacism but with “the jihadists”:

The story of Breivik is ultimately the same story as that of jihadist revolutionaries. It is the story of the temptation of utopian totalitarianism and the cleansing power of violence. For all his protests, Breivik is no different to the jihadists, and should be treated the same as them.

This is a loop which leaves us out.  As a new poster to British Democracy Forum explains:

The bombings and shootings in Norway over the weekend have brought into sharp relief the differences in the broad spectrum of nationalism between those who follow the Geert Wilders type pro-Israel and anti Muslim liberal civic nationalism and those who strongly detest everything that this stands for.

Up until these attacks the usual approach was that the Geert Wilders civic nationalists would call the other nationalists extremist and suggest they stood for unpalatable and unpleasant views. They would say they are Nazi and they cannot be popular or electable.

What we are seeing now is that it is really those who are most influenced by the kind of brainwashing coming from the mainstream media on the “right” such as the Daily Mail who are more likely to be a terror threat. And they are entirely divorced from many of those who claim, as do the socialists in Norway who were so cruelly shot down, that the real problem lies with Israel/Zionism and far less so with Muslims/Islam.

The shooter is of a similar mind to John Cain type republicans but with confusing liking of homosexuals added - so this confuses American conservatives.

The civic nationalists who post on this forum, who wish to emulate the politics of Geert Wilders, presumably find nothing in the manifesto or philosophy of the Norwegian killer that they disagree with - other than any advocation of violence perhaps.


The missing Balder blog and the official anti-nationalist line

Posted by Guessedworker on Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:09.

This morning I received an email from our Danish friend Balder.  He had been doing a little digging and found the on-line trail of the psychopath Breivik.  His subsequent post was reproduced whole in the body of the email - and I put a link to it on the earlier Breivik thread today.

The Balder blog, which many of you will have visited down the years and know well, and which I know was on-line at 9.00am GMT this morning because I visited it, has gone missing.  All that appears on screen now is a 403 “Forbidden” message.  Meanwhile, the line is going out from the media that Breivik is “far right” and “describes himself as a nationalist”.  A good deal of effort is going in to focus on violent neo-Nazis.  I reproduce the text of Balder’s post below the fold.  You may judge for yourself whether Breivik fits the profile for a nationalist, or whether someone has decided to put the fix in.

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Norway and the search for political meaning

Posted by Guessedworker on Saturday, 23 July 2011 10:18.

In the immediate aftermath of the January 8th 2011 shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Arizona, in which a dozen others were injured and six killed, the liberal media immediately assigned “right-wing” status to the shooter, Jared Lee Loughner. A big effort was mounted to pin responsibility onto the “cross-hair” image used by Sarah Palin and the “extreme language” generally of the Tea Party Movement. Loughner, it was eventually admitted, was registered as an independent voter. But more than that he was a psychopath. His hatred of Congresswoman Giffords was real but not rooted in reality. The liberal media did not apologise to Mrs Palin for its kneejerk display of hatred.

Now there is the Oslo bombing and the shootings at Utoya Island. The death toll stands currently at 84. The media has denounced the perpetrator, Anders Behring Breivik, 32, as “6ft tall and blond” with links to “neo-Nazis” - the links being a Stormfront account (obviously, the media thinks, or likes to think, that White Nationalism is National Socialism). It seems Breivik is actually a Christian fundamentalist who has posted “ravings” on SF against Islam.

But he did not bomb an Islamic building or shoot Moslems. He bombed a Norwegian government buildings and shot people associated with the governing party.

There is a major difference between an organised terror attack and the killing spree of a lone psychopath. Had the attacks in Norway been group-planned and executed by Islamic extemists the search for a political logic, however terrible and alien to our ears, would have had some validity. What political logic there may be, however, to the actions of the lone psychopath is strained through the filter of his insanity, and has no reference whatever to the world outside his head.

Breivik, of course, will be associated with “neo-Nazis” for evermore. There will be some deeply flawed people on the left who prostitute his name and the innocents he has killed to make a point about nationalism. Better than having to debate honestly. But ... no political meaning attaches to the actions of the classic lone psychopath.

Except perhaps this.

Psychopathy is always with us. The school bully, the overbearing boss, the neighbour from hell, the pub brawler ... the emotionally stunted and violently inclined exist everywhere, and always have. But why are there so many instances of psychopaths rampaging through schools or villages - or holiday islands - with a gun? Does the modern media create not their psychopathy but its expression in this form? Does the sundering of our connectedness and the loss of social capital - the fruits of liberalism - somehow increase the amount of harm a psychopath must cause to encounter his own coldness?

No, too difficult. Forget it. They’re all neo-Nazis, right?


Greece: the international finance system versus us all

Posted by Guessedworker on Thursday, 30 June 2011 00:31.

The BBC News website features a graphic article posted yesterday (Wednesday) from the streets of Athens by Paul Mason titled Greece: What’s burning is consent.  It doesn’t leave a lot for me to say.  The press is generally doing a pretty good job of revealing motive on the part of the Greek political class, the German and French political leadership, the European Central Bank and the IMF.  The bottom line motive-wise appears to be the serpentine, high-risk derivative products to which Wall Street is known to be horribly exposed, and I’ve even seen attempts on the financial pages to explicate these.

Mason, although he is an economics journalist, eschews all that.  He is with the forces of light.

They came on, still, in the same old way: rigid, determined, clutching heavy sticks and crash helmets. They passed the riot police, the parliament, the indignados and their squatter camp - and marched away.

Now Syntagma Square filled with other protesters: the middle class, the salariat, the youth, people with tattoos up their legs, bare midriffs; a man in a tight Armani shirt and a white gas mask on his elbow.

Earth mothers, grandmothers - if the image of Glastonbury keeps occurring to me it’s for a reason - by now this protest is no longer the preserve of one segment of the demographic, or of politics. It is a cross section: right and left, young and old.

The nationalists, who’ve claimed the ledge above the square as their territory, are the toughest bunch.

The “indignados” - anarchist youth and just generally youth who’ve camped out there in the square for 35 days, their territory is below. The black bloc anarchists? Where do they come from - it is never clear but they always somehow do.

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Whom do we murder next? Why not Gaddafi?

Posted by Guest Blogger on Thursday, 19 May 2011 00:03.

A review of a recent publication by a senior researcher for the House of Commons which suggests murdering Colonel Gaddafi would be lawful.

by Alexander Baron

The extra-judicial execution of Osama Bin Laden was met with a mixed reaction; on the one hand there was jubilation that the fanatic who had taunted the world for a decade had at last been made to pay for his crimes. On the other hand, there was concern in some quarters that Bin Laden had not been arrested and brought to trial, and there was also the very minor objection that the United States had violated the sovereignty of a friendly nation.

Now, a House of Parliament senior researcher has published an official paper in which she uses the execution of Bin Laden as a justification for the proposed murder of Colonel Gadaffi, who presumably has succeeded Bin Laden as the baddest man on the planet. In her own words, House of Commons researcher Arabella Thorp “arrived in the Home Affairs Section of the Library in 1997, fresh out of music college” and was “very pleased to have found a job that I actually did want to do” because “there is a wide variety of people working here, they are all friendly and open and extremely helpful.”

Obviously though some are more friendly than others because according to Thorp in Killing Osama bin Laden: has justice been done?, “Some of the arguments used to present bin Laden’s killing as lawful could also be applied if coalition forces kill Colonel Gaddafi. General Sir David Richards, the UK’s Chief of Defence Staff, has reportedly said that the killing of Osama bin Laden should serve as a warning to Gaddafi”, and “a wider implication is that the killing may be seen as a precedent for targeted killings of individuals by any state, across international boundaries, at least where terrorism is involved.”

Great, so the United States, no, any state, can kill people it designates as terrorists, including across international borders, but according to the Terrorism Act 2000, terrorism in the UK is defined in the following text as:

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So how can a globalist ever plead innocent?

Posted by Guessedworker on Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:11.

Since the political world is agog with the DSK affair, it’s only right to give MR readers the chance to chew over it.  F Desouche is aggregating the breaking French news - so effectively, in fact, that the Daily Telegraph took its feed for the Banon story from there.

F Desouche reports that the plaintiff is a naturalised American from Guinea who has lived with her child in the Bronx for fifteen years.  However, a reported conversation with a hotel employee named the lady as “Ophelia”.  Either way, this (allegedly) was that rare thing, a white-on-black rape.

DSK, meanwhile, has scratches on his body, and a stack of evidence the size of a Portugeuse bail out loan against him.  A Big Jew, a seriously moneyed Jew, a globalist Jew, and many people’s favourite to become the next President of France, is staring at a 70 year sentence for doing what, apparently, he has done many times before, including at the New York Sofitel.  Do people this important and this Jewish really pay such a price for a peccadillo or two?  The IMF thinks so.  It has started to look for DSK’s successor.  The French want a Frenchman.  The Third Worlders want a Third Worlder.  The accused is already a forgotten man.

You see.  There is justice in this world.


Their religion is money

Posted by Guessedworker on Sunday, 24 April 2011 09:20.

The peremptory dismissal of Konstantin Poltoranin last week from his post of Spokesman for Russia’s Federal Migration Service presents an interesting intellectual problem.  In an interview with the BBC, Poltoranin said what all good men would say:

“What is now at stake is the survival of the white race. We feel this in Russia,” he told the BBC.

“We want to make sure the mixing of blood happens in the right way here, and not the way it has happened in Western Europe where the results have not been good.” Russia needed immigrants “of the Slavic group” more than any others, he added.

Here is the BBC video:

So, how did the ethno-masochism of the liberal mind and the desire to be “correct” settle itself on the Russian political and cultural elites in a matter of little more than twenty years?  It has done it without liberalism as a thought world having any history in the country, and without liberals actually wielding political power. It suggests that, among the elites in Russia at least, not political or philosophical ideals but the desire to make money by serving “business” and “investment” via labour-cost competitiveness is sufficient to take away all meaning of Slavic blood.


Tectonics and the European revolution

Posted by Guessedworker on Friday, 25 March 2011 02:10.

Have you had the feeling, as you trawl the big news stories for meanings pertinent to our cause, that we are witnessing right now, in 2011, the unfolding of something extraordinary, something that cannot be mapped in advance, that may change the lives of billions of people, including ours, before its energy is spent?  Adrian Hamilton of The Independent certainly has.  He writes in yesterday’s rag:

Events in the Arab world and in Japan are clearly particular to themselves. But the sense they have given of an old order that has run its course, that no longer responds to the feelings of its people, are not unique.

Consider the list of complaints – corruption that enriches the few and oppresses the many, political systems (democratic as well as autocratic) that have lost the confidence of the population, industrial solutions that cannot cope with catastrophe. They are common cries of much of the world.

If the one dominating factor of events today is their unpredictability, then it would be foolish to predict where they will end up. We don’t even begin to know. But the one thing I am sure of is that history is on the move, and we’re only just at the beginning.

There is something in Hamilton’s idea, I think - at least as regards the Islamic world.  One of the commenters to his article weighs up history’s options thus:

One path leads to tyranny, despotism, corruption and violence. The other to chaos, anarchy, corruption and violence.

... and this also is probably a fair appraisal of the way the two tectonic plates of North African and Middle Eastern politics - modernism and traditionalism - are disposed.  But is there anything in this relevant to our situation, above and beyond the very general assumptions that inform Adrian Hamilton’s thinking?  Marine Le Pen certainly thinks so, judging from the quote I reproduced a couple of days ago:

We’re in a pre-revolutionary situation here. What’s happening today resembles what was happening before the French revolution. I think the desire for a revolution like those on the other side of the Mediterranean exists here. Of course, I’m appealing for a democratic revolution – and that’s also perhaps the role of the Front National – for a peaceful revolution by the ballot box, a patriotic revolution.

Where Hamilton with his unpredicatability thesis and Marine with her pre-revolutionary situation differ is on the question of time.  Nationalists know something about revolution.  We have been thinking on the problem for a long while.  We understand that the opposing tectonic plates on which our lives are lived out - racial community and individualism/economism - move at certain moments, and not necessarily with the peaceful results for which Marine appeals.  The American Civil War was perhaps the classic example.  The rise of Hitler and NSDAP was another.  The Kosovo War was the most recent.

So, following (Adrian) Hamilton’s Rule are there signs in the European world that history is on the move at last?  Or is it just that the drive towards the Globality is pushing on and in turn nationalism, in its struggle to resist, is getting things a little more right with Marine, Wilders and associated civic and anti-Islamist politicos?  In other words, the pressure is continuing to build but there’s no sign of any European earthquake, and no matter what happens in North Africa and the Middle-East our historic moment, if it is going to come at all, will come in its own sweet and, one must hope, demographic rather than geological time.


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